On Federal Income Taxes - Week 6
Oct. 28th, 2013 10:25 amEarned Income
Earned income includes pay and tips from a job plus self-employment and farming income. Of course interest, dividends, capital gains, unemployment compensation, alimony, and child support are considered unearned income. But so are royalties, income from being a landlord, and pension income. And "royalties" is the term used both for pay from creative works and for pay from extracting resources such as oil from your land.
Tax Prep Prices
Friday we just practiced entering a bunch of returns into the company software (the forms from the first few chapters). Mostly boring. But I accidentally hit the button that shows the costs when I meant to hit the adjacent button that shows the final forms. Once that happened, I started hitting the button on purpose, just to see.
Of course charges are a lot more than I would ever want to pay. But, I don't like to pay anything for stuff I can do myself, and so far I've felt that I can do my taxes (and I don't totally hate doing them), so of course I would think that.
It's tens or hundreds of dollars for the ones I'm entering (which, how hard can those be?). We'd already been told that the cost depends on the number and complexity of the forms needed.
And we'd been told that sometimes the client will save more money in tax prep fees by not claiming something than they will save in taxes by claiming something. And the prices I saw were broken down into two levels: the cost of required forms (and the resulting tax refund, which might, of course, be a negative number) and the cost of the optional forms (and resulting tax refund). In most cases (from my class, and probably in real life, too, for people who work for others), people have prepaid so much money that they do get refunds. And in most cases it's the optional forms that get you the extra money, so that's probably how they make it easy to talk the clients into feeling that it's worth the money. Although I don't know if they let you fill out all the forms first and then remove some to save the client money or if the worker has to already know without actually doing all the work.
Getting Audited
We never talk about this in class except that certain things are red flags such as owning your own business and clearly lying. Also, if the amount of taxes in question is small, you're less likely to get audited than if it is large--auditors do, after all, earn a salary, and they try to get the most bang for the buck.
However, Aunt M said never to meet with the IRS if they are auditing you. Send someone else. If you're not as rich as they are, buy audit insurance. Until they were first audited, she thought the laws were black and white, but then she found out that everything was grey--different auditors interpret things differently. Also, what makes an auditor look good to their boss will make them look bad to you, but you can sometimes work with that--her accountant got one auditor to let her move a deduction they were going to disqualify to another area rather than go to tax court over it--the former looked less bad on his record than the latter and was much better for her.
Earned income includes pay and tips from a job plus self-employment and farming income. Of course interest, dividends, capital gains, unemployment compensation, alimony, and child support are considered unearned income. But so are royalties, income from being a landlord, and pension income. And "royalties" is the term used both for pay from creative works and for pay from extracting resources such as oil from your land.
Tax Prep Prices
Friday we just practiced entering a bunch of returns into the company software (the forms from the first few chapters). Mostly boring. But I accidentally hit the button that shows the costs when I meant to hit the adjacent button that shows the final forms. Once that happened, I started hitting the button on purpose, just to see.
Of course charges are a lot more than I would ever want to pay. But, I don't like to pay anything for stuff I can do myself, and so far I've felt that I can do my taxes (and I don't totally hate doing them), so of course I would think that.
It's tens or hundreds of dollars for the ones I'm entering (which, how hard can those be?). We'd already been told that the cost depends on the number and complexity of the forms needed.
And we'd been told that sometimes the client will save more money in tax prep fees by not claiming something than they will save in taxes by claiming something. And the prices I saw were broken down into two levels: the cost of required forms (and the resulting tax refund, which might, of course, be a negative number) and the cost of the optional forms (and resulting tax refund). In most cases (from my class, and probably in real life, too, for people who work for others), people have prepaid so much money that they do get refunds. And in most cases it's the optional forms that get you the extra money, so that's probably how they make it easy to talk the clients into feeling that it's worth the money. Although I don't know if they let you fill out all the forms first and then remove some to save the client money or if the worker has to already know without actually doing all the work.
Getting Audited
We never talk about this in class except that certain things are red flags such as owning your own business and clearly lying. Also, if the amount of taxes in question is small, you're less likely to get audited than if it is large--auditors do, after all, earn a salary, and they try to get the most bang for the buck.
However, Aunt M said never to meet with the IRS if they are auditing you. Send someone else. If you're not as rich as they are, buy audit insurance. Until they were first audited, she thought the laws were black and white, but then she found out that everything was grey--different auditors interpret things differently. Also, what makes an auditor look good to their boss will make them look bad to you, but you can sometimes work with that--her accountant got one auditor to let her move a deduction they were going to disqualify to another area rather than go to tax court over it--the former looked less bad on his record than the latter and was much better for her.